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The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come

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PUBLISHED11/12/2024, 08:15:00
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  1. The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come Andrew Hauser [ * ] Deputy Governor Australian Business Economists’ Annual Dinner Sydney – 11 December 2024 Speech Audio 52.5MB Q&A Audio 32.2MB Q&A Transcript Download 601KB Watch video: Speech by Andrew Hauser, Deputy Governor, at The Australian Business Economists’ Annual Dinner, Sydney Introduction It is a pleasure to be here. My theme tonight is trade – so it is fitting that we are meeting on
  2. George Street, which is said to lie on an ancient trading route between farmed grasslands to the south
  3. and the fresh fish and water here in the harbour. 1 In that context, I would like to acknowledge the
  4. Gadigal people of the Eora Nation as the traditional owners and custodians of this land and pay my
  5. respects to Elders, past and present. This is my first festive season in the Southern Hemisphere – and while there have been many
  6. reminders this year of why being asked to move from the UK to Australia was such a privilege, few perhaps
  7. beat the prospect of seeing in the New Year in temperatures of 25–30 o C while my former colleagues at the Bank of England
  8. scrape frost off windscreens and thaw frozen pipes. The contrast in terms of sunshine is starker still:
  9. indeed, London seems barely to get light at all at this time of year (Graph 1). It was this cold, dark British version of the festive season – not the sun-drenched Australian
  10. alternative – that Charles Dickens described in A Christmas Carol . In one of the most
  11. dramatic scenes, the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come shows the miserly Ebenezer Scrooge a nightmarish
  12. vision of his own future, in which he dies alone and unloved, without friends or family, his possessions
  13. stolen and sold for scrap. Graph 1 Some commentators fear a similar fate for the world economy in 2025 if the United States triggers a
  14. tit-for-tat trade war with China and other countries. In that hypothetical scenario, the worry goes,
  15. economic activity would fall and prices would rise across the world – including here in Australia
  16. – as global supply chains are disrupted, leading to weakened competition, productivity and
  17. innovation. Nothing can be definitively ruled out: Australia is intimately linked to the world economic and financial
  18. system at every level. And history shows that when trade, labour and money flow freely in the global
  19. economy, we thrive – but when countries turn inwards, we suffer. But, just as Scrooge did not in the end meet his seemingly inevitable fate, the macroeconomic implications
  20. for Australia from future global trade policies may be less obvious than they first appear: First, we so far know little about the scale, scope and timing of those policies. Second, the scale of any depressing effect on Australian economic activity is uncertain. We are not a
  21. major exporter to the United States – so the direct impact of any tariffs on such trade would
  22. be limited. We have strong comparative advantages in raw materials and services that other countries
  23. need, both to power traditional industries and the industries of the future. We have a track record
  24. of nimbly reshaping our trading relationships, through a combination of market forces and proactive
  25. policy. And our flexible inflation target and exchange rate can help to absorb the impact of global
  26. shocks. Third, the implications for Australian inflation, and hence for monetary policy, could be positive or
  27. negative, depending on how tariffs affect the balance between supply and demand. I want to use the rest of my remarks this evening to elaborate on these points. In doing so, I am
  28. explicitly not going to cover the many other potential risks and opportunities in the world
  29. economy in the year ahead. Australia and the world While researching this speech it became clear that to understand the importance of trade for Australia you
  30. could do worse than look at the history of the very address we are meeting at tonight: 199 George
  31. Street, Sydney. The first substantial structure on this site – the George Street jail – was funded, ironically
  32. enough, by tariffs on spirits, wine and beer. In the mid-1800s, this area was part of ‘Little
  33. Canton’ – where the Chinese community lived, worked and traded at the wharfs. And from the
  34. early 20th century, the Greek Andronicus Brothers sold imported coffee and chocolate here, first to
  35. walk-in customers and later, when the construction of the Sydney Harbour Bridge poleaxed that business,
  36. also to the wholesale trade. In 1982, as part of the economy’s long swing towards services, the
  37. building we sit in today opened as the Regent Hotel, described by some as Sydney’s first modern
  38. luxury hotel. A year later, a glittering ceremony led by then Prime Minister Bob Hawke, launched the
  39. Business Council of Australia – its purpose not, in the words of its first President, Sir Arvi
  40. Parbo, to ‘whinge to the government about narrow interests’ but to develop ‘long-term
  41. views in the broad national interest’. And shortly before Christmas 1983, the government floated the
  42. exchange rate and liberalised Australia’s capital account – ushering in an era of wider
  43. economic reform that set the country on the road to prosperity. 2 If those are the Ghosts of Christmas Past, fast forward to Christmas Present and the effects of that era
  44. of reform are clear (Table 1). Our two-way trade equates to nearly 50 per cent of GDP
  45. – somewhat below other small open economies like South Korea or Sweden, but much higher than the
  46. United States; and we are a world leader in some markets, including iron ore. We attract some of the
  47. best-educated workers from overseas. Our institutional and business environment ranks in the top echelon,
  48. according to the IMD World Competitiveness Yearbook. And, while our banks tend to be relatively
  49. domestically focused, our superfunds increasingly invest in overseas assets; half our (Australian dollar
  50. denominated) Commonwealth government debt is held by foreigners; and key financial variables can move
  51. closely with global developments. Table 1: Some Indicators of Australian Openness Macroeconomic / macrofinancial Exports + imports as a share of GDP (a) 46% Share of global iron ore trade 56% Proportion of superfunds’ assets held offshore 48% Banks’ foreign assets as a share of total assets 23% Foreign ownership of Australian Commonwealth government debt 47% Correlation with international financial variables (b) Australia/US policy rate expectations 0.9 ASX and S&P500 0.8 Variation in Australian dollar explained by global factors 0.8 Three-year Australia/US government bond yields 0.9 Global ranking Attracting highly educated workers Destination for international university
  52. students (c) 1st 3rd World competitiveness ranking 13th Net migration rate 15th Turnover in domestic currency vs US dollar 6th Total exports (US dollars) 21st
  53. (a) Measure includes goods and services.
  54. (b) Based on correlations of month-end changes for the three years to end-2024.
  55. (c) Among English-speaking countries, 2018.
  56. Sources: ABS; BIS; CIA World Factbook; Department of Industry, Science and Resources; IMD World
  57. Competitiveness Yearbook; NAB Biennial FX Hedging Survey; OECD; RBA; Statista; TIME Association. Threats and opportunities for Australia in the New Trading Order So what does the future hold? Let’s start with a positive. The direct impact of any US tariffs on Australia is likely to be
  58. limited. And that’s because our exports to the United States are relatively modest. Indeed, unlike
  59. many trading nations, we run a substantial trade deficit with the United States
  60. (Table 2) – one of the largest in the world. Table 2: Australian goods trade with the United States and China (2022) Rank in Australian …
  61. Australian exports to country as share
  62. of …
  63. (per cent)
  64. Australian imports from country as share of …
  65. (per cent)
  66. Australian trade balance (US $bn) Exports Imports Australian exports Country imports Australian imports Country exports US 5 2 5 0.4 10 1.5 −16 China 1 1 29 6 28 2 42 Sources: Observatory of Economic Complexity; UN Comtrade. It is too soon to say what the scale and scope of any such tariffs might be. We have a free trade
  67. agreement with the United States and successfully negotiated exemptions in 2018. 3 But even
  68. if blanket tariffs are imposed, the value of our exports that are directly exposed, as a share of GDP, is
  69. among the smallest of any developed country (Graph 2). 4 Graph 2 So far so good? Well, not really, because that’s only the start of the story. US tariffs would
  70. depress demand in the United States and other affected countries, and may provoke retaliatory tariffs
  71. against the United States. The most extreme end-game of such a scenario – an all-out global trade
  72. war – would depress world activity and trade everywhere. When seeking a historical analogy for such an outcome, people often reach for the Great Depression of the
  73. 1930s. The Depression did not begin with a trade war – but the tariffs imposed by the US Smoot Hawley Tariff Act , and retaliation from other countries, made it much deeper and
  74. longer lasting. Global activity fell by 15 per cent and global trade by two-thirds – and
  75. that hit Australia hard, causing real GDP here to fall by around 10 per cent and the
  76. unemployment rate to rise to 20 per cent, leaving gaping economic and political scars
  77. (Graph 3). 5 Graph 3 But the Depression is a poor analogy for the possible outlook we face today for several reasons. Perhaps the most important is the fundamental difference in macroeconomic policy frameworks. The
  78. contraction in activity in the 1930s was substantially amplified by the primacy given to maintaining
  79. fixed exchange rates, in the belief that this was the best way to ensure price stability. Adherence to
  80. fixed exchange rate pegs delayed the devaluation that countries like Australia needed against the
  81. US dollar to re-establish external balance. 6 And it required restrictive monetary conditions,
  82. further depressing domestic demand. Today’s policy framework is much less likely to amplify the effects of a global downturn. The
  83. exchange rate floats freely, and monetary policy is focused on inflation and full employment –
  84. providing a powerful ‘first line of defence’ against global developments. 7 Indeed,
  85. as a new RBA Research Discussion Paper published today by Patrick Hendy and Benjamin Beckers, global
  86. shocks explain only a fifth of the variability in domestic prices and activity over the past quarter of a
  87. century – and that’s because changes in the exchange rate and the cash rate absorbed the
  88. lion’s share of those shocks (Graph 4). Graph 4 A familiar illustration of that point comes from the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) and the parallel
  89. ‘mining boom’ (Graph 5). Following the onset of the GFC, the flexible exchange rate regime allowed the RBA to cut interest rates
  90. rapidly – and that, together with substantial fiscal stimulus and a stable domestic banking system,
  91. helped to underpin domestic demand. Australian activity was also supported by strong growth in China,
  92. which began with its ascension to the World Trade Organisation in 2003 and was given further momentum by
  93. its CNY4 trillion stimulus package in late 2008. The huge increase in Chinese infrastructure and
  94. real estate construction led to a boom in steel production, which in turn gave a huge boost to demand for
  95. Australian commodities, most notably iron ore. The mining boom that followed transformed the Australian
  96. economy, lifting the terms of trade, drawing in massive investment flows and solidifying China as
  97. Australia’s key trading partner. The shock-absorbers were again in action during this period: in
  98. particular, the progressive appreciation of the Australian dollar helped the economy to adjust to the
  99. increase in national income and demand without threatening the inflation target. Graph 5 So our limited direct exposure to US tariffs, and our flexible policy framework, should provide some
  100. insulation. But that’s obviously not the end of the story – because higher tariffs in the
  101. United States (and potentially elsewhere) will also have an indirect effect on Australian demand by
  102. depressing activity right across global supply chains, many of which involve Australian firms. There’s some good news on this front too: Australia’s participation in global value chains
  103. – meaning trade in goods that cross borders two or more times between origination and final
  104. consumption – is lower than in many countries. Our global value chain-related activity accounted
  105. for only 11 per cent of total output in 2022, compared with an average of 26 per cent
  106. among other high- and middle-income countries, according to Asian Development Bank data. 8 But within this average, our exposure is unusually concentrated. To see that point vividly, consider
  107. Graph 6, produced by the Bank for International Settlements. 9 For each country, the x-axis
  108. measures the extent to which countries trade with countries with different geopolitical outlooks (proxied
  109. by the differences in their voting patterns at the United Nations): the potential ‘need for
  110. diversion’. The y-axis measures the extent to which countries would struggle to find alternative
  111. markets for their exports in geopolitically more aligned countries, given the current structure of trade
  112. flows: the ‘impediment to diversion’. Australia is by some distance the biggest outlier on this
  113. chart – in part reflecting the fact that over 80 per cent of Australia’s iron ore
  114. exports are directed to China, and China accounts for three-quarters of global iron ore imports. Graph 6 On the face of it, this seems to suggest that Australia could find itself more seriously affected by a
  115. global trade war than some of the average exposure data suggest, if China is subject to
  116. disproportionately punitive tariffs and/or the trend towards countries trading less with those they are
  117. most geopolitically distant from accelerates. But here too we should be careful not to jump to
  118. conclusions: First, whether Australian producers actually need to find other markets is yet to be
  119. seen, and will depend, among other things, on: the specific details of any tariffs the United States
  120. imposes on China; the response of Chinese exporters; the extent of any additional Chinese stimulus
  121. and the degree to which that influences Australian exports; and any exchange rate adjustments. It is
  122. dangerous to put too much weight on past experience, but during the US–China trade war of 2018–2020 , the
  123. dominant influence on Australia–China trade was not bilateral US–China tariffs but the Chinese authorities’ policy stimulus, which
  124. saw Australia’s share of trade conducted with China rise. While there were important indirect
  125. adverse effects from tariffs on Australia during this period, they paled in comparison with those
  126. felt by other countries. 10 Second, if Australian producers do find themselves needing to divert some of their
  127. output to other markets, they may find more opportunities than Graph 6 suggests. And that is
  128. because the data underpinning the chart assume the current set of prices, exchange rates,
  129. geographical production capacities and trade policies. In practice, however, at least some of these
  130. would adjust. When China imposed restrictions on Australian exports in 2020, for example, exporters
  131. of barley, beef and coal found alternative buyers for at least part of their output elsewhere in Asia
  132. and the Middle East within 6–12 months, through a combination
  133. of market mechanisms and targeted government support. 11 There are limits to this analogy of
  134. course: Australian goods exports to China fell by only 2 per cent between 2019 and 2020; so
  135. a larger or more sustained reduction could be harder to manage. Certainly, no other country has
  136. sufficient steel-making capacity today to take anything like the whole of China’s annual
  137. US$134 billion iron ore purchases. But a reduction of this scale is extremely unlikely, and
  138. Australia’s relatively low production costs means we are not the marginal supplier. Demand may
  139. also be supported through relocation of more Chinese production to Asia, Europe or even the United
  140. States itself – as Japanese car manufacturers did in the 1980s. Third, over the longer term, persistently higher tariffs on some countries or products would be
  141. likely to incentivise Australian producers to adjust the shape of their production more radically
  142. – diversifying the range of products, employing more efficient, lower cost technologies, and
  143. moving investment and output towards lower tariff sectors. Such adjustments are costly and time
  144. consuming. But Australia has plentiful supplies of valuable minerals, traditional and renewable
  145. energy sources, and high-quality human capital. And we have done it before: the country has undergone
  146. at least three tectonic shifts in its export markets since Federation – from the
  147. UK/Commonwealth trade bloc, then to Asia outside China, and most recently to China. Bringing it together: So what for monetary policy? So what could this all mean for Australian activity and inflation, and hence monetary policy? Turning first to activity, Table 3 summarises some of the considerations I’ve covered this
  148. evening. At one extreme, if tariffs were imposed clearly and predictably in countries to which we export
  149. little (directly or indirectly) – and this were coupled with appropriate adjustment in the real
  150. exchange rate, material policy stimulus in affected countries, nimble re-routing of exports to affected
  151. countries, minimal financial market and capital flow contagion – the impact on Australian activity
  152. could be very modest. One could even envisage scenarios in which tariffs could increase
  153. activity for a time if they led to, or accompanied, substantial overseas policy stimulus – as
  154. happened in 2018–2020 . Table 3: Components of impact on Australian activity Smaller impact on activity Larger impact on activity Unilateral or limited-coverage / wide-exception tariffs in small export markets Limited-exception tariffs covering more countries, including key export markets Clarity on tariff policy allows planning Widespread uncertainty on tariff policy impairs planning Larger real exchange rate depreciation Smaller real exchange rate depreciation (or appreciation) Larger overseas policy stimulus Smaller overseas policy stimulus (or tightening) More trade re-routing Less trade re-routing Minimal financial market contagion through risky asset prices and capital flows Material financial market contagion through risky asset prices and capital flows Of course, that may not be the most likely outcome this time around. Relax one or more of those
  155. assumptions – a more comprehensive set of tariffs, less overseas stimulus, or a slower, more costly
  156. rerouting of trade flows, for example – and Australian activity is likely to take a hit. But the
  157. point I’ve tried to make today is that the far right of this table is a very extreme
  158. scenario: the system contains a mix of automatic and discretionary shock absorbers that lean against it.
  159. Consistent with that, one of the most comprehensive external assessments so far completed, which contains
  160. some of those shock absorbers, estimates that global tariffs would subtract only 0–0 .2 percentage points from Australian GDP over the subsequent two
  161. years, depending on the scale of tariffs implemented and the degree of retaliation. 12 What about inflation? In countries imposing tariffs, the aggregate price level will typically rise –
  162. increasing measured inflation, at least for a period – as the (intended) higher price of imports
  163. works through the system. 13 That direct price level effect will not apply in
  164. countries that don’t impose tariffs (which I assume for the purposes of this discussion includes
  165. Australia). But over time, tariffs – particularly if they are widespread – will impair the
  166. supply side of the world economy, disrupting global supply chains and reducing competition. And that
  167. effect, coupled with the potential for stronger overseas stimulus and greater pass-through of any
  168. exchange rate depreciation, will tend to push up on prices here too – the scenario shown in the
  169. right-hand column of Table 4. Working against this upward pressure will be the downward effects of the weaker demand that I discussed
  170. above, and the potential diversion of cheaper foreign goods to Australian markets that previously would
  171. have been sold in higher tariff countries. Table 4: Components of impact on Australian inflation Lower inflation Higher inflation Materially lower demand Dominant global stimulus Supply diversion – Australia benefits from cheaper goods avoiding high-tariff
  172. regions Supply impairment – disrupted global supply chains, weaker global competition Limited exchange rate depreciation Sharp exchange rate depreciation So the impact on Australian inflation is ambiguous, in large part because it depends on a far wider set of
  173. considerations than the imposition of US tariffs alone. Given this uncertainty, it is important that we
  174. don’t prejudge the implications of tariffs for policy but monitor developments closely and stand
  175. ready to respond appropriately as the facts emerge. And that is what we at the RBA will do, factoring
  176. that assessment into our overall policy judgements in the months ahead. Conclusion Let me conclude. If Scrooge’s grim premonition of his own death is one of the bleakest moments in A Christmas
  177. Carol , one of the most joyous occurs earlier in the book, when the Ghost of Christmas Past
  178. takes him to see how his old boss, Mr Fezziwig, celebrates Christmas Eve. It is an exuberant
  179. extravaganza, replete with food, wine, presents, singing, dancing and general high spirits. This, Dickens
  180. intimates, is a vision of what Scrooge could have been. No-one could claim that Mr Fezziwig’s ball is an apt metaphor for the global trading system, or
  181. Australia’s part in it, in 2025. But neither is the graveyard. The chances of being propelled into
  182. another global Depression are low. Our direct exposure to US tariffs is likely to be small. We have
  183. strong comparative advantages in raw materials and services that other countries need, both to power
  184. traditional industries and the industries of the future. We have a track record of nimbly reshaping our
  185. trading relationships, through a combination of market forces and proactive trade policy and negotiation.
  186. And our flexible exchange rate and independent monetary policy can serve as powerful shock-absorbers.
  187. Australian inflation could move in either direction. So it would be unwise to prejudge what may happen in practice. As with every element of monetary policy
  188. setting, we will be alert to developments and ready to respond – in either direction, with force if
  189. needed, to deliver our mandate of low and stable inflation with sustained full employment. I wish you all a very happy festive season, and look forward to our discussion this evening. Endnotes I am particularly grateful to Patrick Hendy and
  190. Jess Young for their excellent help in preparing this speech and to Susan Black, Michele Bullock,
  191. Natasha Cassidy, Stephen Cupper, Jacqui Dwyer, Samuel Evangelinos, Ian Harper, Sarah Hunter,
  192. David Jacobs, Bradley Jones, Christopher Kent, Jeremy Lawson, Vanessa Li, Michael Plumb, Tom Rosewall,
  193. Penny Smith, Katie Sun, Michelle Wright and Dora Xia for comments and
  194. contributions. [*] Although this claim is widely made, the evidence
  195. base is quite sparse – perhaps because, as Macphail and Owen (2018) note in Australasian Historical Archaeology : ‘Between 26 January and March 1788,
  196. Sydney Cove was subject to “clearing of the Land, cutting, Grubbing and burning down trees [and]
  197. Enclosing Farms and Gardens” (Worgan 1978:8). Not surprisingly this had an immediate and profound
  198. effect on the natural environment and the local Aboriginal culture, as well as destroying many of
  199. the native plants and plant communities growing around Sydney Cove and along the Tank Stream
  200. Valley.’ As such, ‘few details of the pre-settlement natural environment were recorded
  201. at the time (GML 2017:18–30; Karskens 2009)’. 1 See Berger-Thomson L, J Breusch and L Lilley
  202. (2018), ‘Australia’s Experience With Economic Reform’, Treasury Working Paper,
  203. October. I had hoped to include a George Street Christmas reference to the introduction of
  204. Australia’s inflation targeting regime too, but timing and location are against me: see
  205. Cornish S (2018), ‘The Evolution of Inflation Targeting in Australia’, Australian
  206. National University and Reserve Bank of Australia. 2 Norman J (2018), ‘Donald Trump, Malcolm
  207. Turnbull Hit on Deal to Exclude Australia from New US Tariffs’, ABC News ,
  208. 10 March. 3 I am grateful to George Saravelos and Michael
  209. Puempel (Deutsche Bank) for the original idea for this chart. 4 Data come from Gruen D and Colin Clark (2009),
  210. ‘What Have We Learnt? The Great Depression in Australia from the Perspective of Today’,
  211. 19th Annual Colin Clark Memorial Lecture, Brisbane, 11 November; Office of the Historian
  212. (undated), ‘Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations – Protectionism in the
  213. Interwar Period’, US Department of State. Further discussion of Australia and the Great
  214. Depression can be found at: Kent CJ (2011), ‘Two Depressions, One Banking Collapse: Lessons
  215. from Australia’, Journal of Financial Stability , 7(3), pp 126–137;
  216. McLean IW (2012), Why Australia Prospered: The Shifting Sources of Economic Growth ,
  217. Princeton University Press; Schedvin CB (1970), Australia and the Great Depression ,
  218. Sydney University Press; Beaumont J (2022), Australia’s Great Depression , Allen
  219. & Unwin. 5 Australia’s currency had been repegged to
  220. gold in 1925, and the private banks, as well as the Commonwealth Bank – the predecessor to
  221. the RBA – were initially unwilling to sponsor a devaluation, viewing the peg as
  222. indispensable to ‘sound finance’. But as the Depression progressed, many countries
  223. – including Australia in 1931 – were forced to leave the gold standard, and Australia
  224. repegged against the pound sterling. The timing with which countries departed the gold standard
  225. and accepted a currency devaluation was strongly associated with when they each began their slow
  226. economic recovery. 6 Because most of Australia’s debt is
  227. denominated in local currency or heavily hedged, depreciation is also less likely to trigger
  228. financial instability. For more on the topics covered in this section, see Stevens G (2013),
  229. ‘ The Australian Dollar: Thirty Years of
  230. Floating ’, Speech to the Australian Business Economists’ Annual Dinner, Sydney,
  231. 21 November; Smith P (2023), ‘ The
  232. Extraordinary Decline in Australia’s Net Foreign Liabilities ’, Speech to the
  233. CFA Societies 2023 Australian Investment Conference, Sydney, 18 October; Bullock M (2023),
  234. ‘ Monetary Policy in Australia:
  235. Complementarities and Trade-offs ’, Speech to the 2023 Commonwealth Bank Global
  236. Markets Conference, Sydney, 24 October. 7 World Bank WITS GVC Output Table, available at
  237. <https://wits.worldbank.org/gvc/gvc-output-table.html>, calculated from Asian Development
  238. Bank input-output tables. 8 Qiu H, D Xia and J Yetman (2024),
  239. ‘Deconstructing Global Trade: The Role of Geopolitical Alignment’, BIS Quarterly
  240. Review, September. 9 See Table 4 in Wu et al
  241. (2021), ‘Evaluating the Cumulative Impact of the US-China Trade War Along Global Value
  242. Chains’, 15 March. 10 See for instance: Zhou W and J Laurenceson
  243. (2022) ‘Demystifying Australia-China Trade Tensions’, Journal of World
  244. Trade , 56(1), pp 51–86; Edmonstone G (2024), ‘China’s Trade
  245. Restrictions on Australian Exports’, United States Studies Centre, 2 April; (2024),
  246. AXSMarine, ‘How Australia Adjusted its Coal Exports to China’s Import Ban’,
  247. 20 September. 11 McKibbin WJ, M Hogan and M Noland (2024),
  248. ‘The International Economic Implications of a Second Trump Presidency’, PIIE Working
  249. Paper No 24-20, September; for broader analyses, see also Blanchard O (2024), ‘How Will
  250. Trumponomics Work Out?’, PIIE, 13 November; Baldwin R (2024), ‘Trump Tariffs,
  251. Season 2: 10% and 60% Tariffs are Not the Same’, 15 November. 12 Of course, the scale and persistence of any
  252. rise in inflation in tariff-imposing countries will depend on many other factors, including: the
  253. extent to which firms exporting to the country seek to maintain sales by compressing their price
  254. margins; the extent to which exchange rate appreciation chokes off the rise in the price level;
  255. and the response of other domestic policy – most notably domestic monetary policy. 13
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