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Fireside Chat

Fireside Chat at the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI) Business Leaders’ Series

Andrew Hauser

Deputy Governor

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI) Business Leaders’ Series

11 February 2026

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Sydney

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Moderator

Well, thanks. Thanks very much, Lyle. And welcome to Andrew Hauser for a fireside chat. In a few

moments we’ll be opening it up for discussion and going around the room and I’m sure

there’s plenty of questions and issues that people will want to raise with you. Andrew, before

we do that, I should say, of course, this room, this venue, has a very close association with the

Reserve Bank. For those who don’t know, this is the room in which the Reserve Bank Governor

gives her press conferences after the Reserve Bank board meeting. So a fortnight ago, the Governor

was standing here explaining the decision to raise the official cash rate target. So it’s done

in this room. Your office is just upstairs. So you didn’t have to come far, but I think

it’s a significant association. Look to get the ball rolling Andrew, I guess we’ve seen

that recent Statement on Monetary Policy. There’s been a lot of awareness, I think, about the

decision that was taken. We saw the Governor then also last week appearing before the House of

Representatives Standing Committee on Economics. So again, the perspective of the Reserve Bank has

been well out there in the public domain. But I guess maybe if you can just recap for us a bit of the

general context about how you see economic conditions, the outlook for inflation, monetary policy at

this point in time.

Andrew Hauser

Well, look, thank you very much all of you for the invite. When I arrived in Australia two years ago,

I made it a priority for myself to get out and about and meet with Australian businesses directly. I

actually expected people would say to me very early on, who the hell are you coming here to set

interest rates for another country? What do you know about us? And I considered it a priority to get

to know the country, its history, but also importantly its economy. It’s also great fun. I

should say that that’s a secondary objective. So I went to Townsville, my first visit. I saw the

university there, the port, the solar powered zinc smelter that is up there. I went to Gladstone to

see the liquid natural gas function, the aluminium smelter. I went to Brisbane to see the tourism

industry. I went to West Sydney and saw the university construction sector. These fantastic,

automated distribution centres. A number of retail companies have out there, the very latest

technology. I went to Melbourne, I saw the super funds. I saw shopping centres and pharmacists. I

went to Hobart, saw more zinc. I went to Adelaide and saw companies involved in beer, kangaroo meat,

that was a highlight, and chocolate. I went to Perth and saw the mining industry and I went to the

Pilbara on a special Visit which was outstanding, to see the iron ore business close up, including

some very scary small plane flights. I went to Shanghai as well and the last time I checked that

obviously isn’t part of Australia, but saw the Australian Chamber of Commerce out there and the

exporters and was really struck by their energy and drive. So look, what I came away from all of that

with was an incredible sense of the vibrancy, the diversity, the potential of the Australian economy.

It’s not just dig it and ship it, it’s much broader than that. I also heard, as someone

said earlier, the challenges and the business pressures that I know you’re dealing with and

I’m sure we’ll deal with today. But thank you for all the work that you do to drive this

economy.

Consistent with that many aspects of the Australian economy are actually doing pretty well. You

wouldn’t get that necessarily from listening to the press. Private sector growth recovered last

year quite strongly. The labour market’s been strong. Unemployment is close to historic lows.

The employment ratio to a population is at a record high. There’s 1.7 million new jobs

since COVID. Exports have held up unexpectedly, it might be said, on the back of a much stronger

world economy than all of us feared would happen as a result of the tariffs. And Australia remains

one of the wealthiest countries in the world. I often say coming from the UK, it is immediately

evident that the average standard of living, whether in the richest or the less rich parts of

Australia, it strikes you. The challenge we are dealing with, as you say Andrew, at the moment is

inflation. I regret to say that because obviously we’ve just come out of a big inflation

challenge, having been close to the middle of our target range, 2 to 3 per cent.

Underlying inflation is now up around three and a half. As is headline. That’s too high. And the

billion-dollar question is why has that happened? There’s a benign story that it’s a series

of one off factors, it should unwind. Certainly some of it, our team perhaps think even the majority.

But the less benign story is that some of it reflects growing underlying pressure of that pickup in

demand against supply constraints in the economy. And if that’s true, the risk is higher

inflation may persist and we can’t let that happen. Inflation at this level is too high and we

all remember the costs that excessively high inflation poses. We heard about it in its reduction to

households, to businesses, to everyone, right across the public and the private sector. And

that’s why we acted last week to raise the cash rate by 25 basis points and why I want to

say we will continue to do whatever is necessary to ensure that inflation does return to that target

band. So, over to you, Andrew.

Moderator

Thanks, Andrew. So maybe we talk about the elephant in the room and that’s not the little party

leadership for the moment. We’ll leave that to the politicians in Canberra. But no, look, I

guess last year, I think it was in November last year, you gave an interesting speech and you were

making the analogy of the Australian economy being a bit like a thoroughbred racehorse, possibly sort

of trapped on the rails, trying to find a way to surge forward, but ultimately boxed in. And I guess

that is a big issue that many in business are grappling with. And I think the practical implication

which you highlighted in your speech then, was that, effectively, at the moment, we’re operating

with a kind of speed limit, a capacity speed limit of around 2 per cent. If growth gets

much above that level, then we start to see inflationary pressures emerge. So surely a big part of

addressing that constraint is the supply side and productivity. And there’s been a lot of

discussion about how we get productivity going, whether that’s through stronger business

investment, capital deepening, whether it’s labour and skills, whether it’s technology, AI,

regulation, less red tape. I guess I just wanted to draw on your perspectives as a central banker. Do

you see from your research, are there particular areas that you would emphasise out of those or

others that really would help us to address those capacity constraints in the economy?

Andrew Hauser

Well, we’re not the experts on productivity. You are. The length of that question and the

sophistication of that question shows that you’ve probably got more ideas about it than me. But

the famous economist Paul Krugman said that productivity isn’t everything, but it’s almost

everything. And I would say that my reflection, and it’s not our policy, it’s not our

issue, is that really of all the issues facing the economy over the medium term, raising the

sustainable growth rate is the biggest issue. Now, the good news is Australia is not alone. Maybe

it’s bad news. US obviously appears to have strong productivity growth. When I think about my

own country in the UK, productivity growth has also been very weak. If I think about Germany, if I

think even about many of the countries in Asia, we are all seeking that next source or that wave of

growth. The good news is that Australia has done incredibly well over the years at marshalling its

resources, which are truly impressive, whether it’s the stuff below the ground, the human

capital, the institutional strength, the geographical position, the business smarts, of people in

this room to harness the challenges that the world economy and the domestic economy pose. The

challenge is, as I think you’re saying, that it will take action, if I may say so, and you said

this might evince a groan for the room, but since when you said, or someone said, who loves the RBA?

And there was a kind of one cheer. I’ll say it anyway. It’s a job of government, but

it’s also a job of industry. And I know industry knows that. Investment growth, in fact, in

Australia has been quite weak in recent times. And I suspect you and others in the room will tell me

there are good reasons for that. And some of those relate to policy and so on and so forth. But it is

a partnership issue.

And as I say, one of the great things I brought back from this, someone called it a royal tour around

Australia, which I shouldn’t, which it certainly wasn’t. But this, this tour around

Australia’s business highlights is that there is innovation everywhere you look, there is

business nous everywhere you look. And it is a question of harnessing that. People have done a lot of

research, haven’t they, on what the sources of productivity slowdowns in Australia and elsewhere

might have been, whether it’s competition. You actually gave a better list than I can give,

frankly. You mentioned skills, you mentioned competition, you mentioned capital deepening, you

mentioned red tape in all these various forms. I think it was one of those questions. I’m not

quite sure if I can add anything to that list, but it is a priority. One final point, I don’t

want this to sound like a cop out, but we have to take productivity as a given. And sometimes I think

it’s thought, well, look, can you do something about it? Could you run easier policy for a

while, please, mate, while we work out how to sort productivity out? We cannot do that. We have to

respect the speed limit of the economy for exactly the reason you described, that if we try and run

the economy hotter than it can run it, inflation will pick up. And that’s certainly, you and I

know the number one issue that harms productivity growth is uncertainty about inflation, and

that’s our contribution to the productivity game. I’m afraid it’s not as rich an

answer as you would like, but I do agree with you and thoroughly underscore its importance. I take

comfort from the fact that the government also lists it in its top three priorities this year. And I

think, I think. You were at the roundtable, weren’t you?

Moderator

I was, yeah.

Andrew Hauser

I think the roundtable was a great start at recognising the challenge, being brutally honest about

the challenge the country faces. The next step is obviously solutions, and I know people are working

at that.

Moderator

Okay, so we’re going to open it up to the floor. So I’m sure there’s plenty of

questions out there. I’m just looking around to see who’s going to be the first cab off the

rank.

Questioner

Thank you. The housing industry, of course, we love a conversation about inflation and interest

rates. And I’d be curious first up just to understand. Housing, of course, is one of the major

economic challenges we have at the moment. Higher interest rates are going to lead to a slowdown in

building activity. Housing, of course, major contributor to inflation. Fewer homes, more housing

inflation. That perpetual cycle there around higher rates and higher house prices is something that

I’d be interested in, how much that plays into consideration in future interest rates.

Recognising, of course, we’re not all of the economy, but we are one of those major productivity

constraints now. But secondly, on the topic of macroprudential restrictions, whilst interest rates

are the most urgent factor we have, macroprudential restrictions are probably the most important we

have. And late last year we saw APRA wander into the topic of using macroprudential restrictions to

force investors out of the established housing market, which looks a little like macroprudential

restrictions, moving away from the goal of system security into what would be more political

objectives. So my question would be, at what point do you think, given that we have extraordinarily

low mortgage default rates, rates that are approaching zero, at what point is it appropriate to start

winding back some of the last 15 years’ worth of macroprudential restrictions?

Andrew Hauser

You guys are good at long questions, aren’t you? The good thing is I can pick and choose what I

answer. And I think look on your first thing about house prices, right? I mean, the Turkish Prime

Minister, you may know, has a Turkish view of economics, which is that higher interest rates raises

inflation and therefore lower interest rates will lower inflation. I was brought up using models and

economic analysis that suggested that actually it’s lower interest rates that drive higher

prices. And in fact, that is what we have seen over the course, as you know, of 2025. And that’s

part of the transmission mechanism. It is an important part of the transmission mechanism. So if

house prices didn’t respond, that would be a problem. But in the long run, real house prices

reflect the balance between the demand and supply for housing. They are indifferent to, there’s

lots of evidence of this, to the level of interest rates in the medium to long term. And so the

challenge in the housing market, as I think you know and I’m sure you support, is how to boost

housing supply. Actually I think this is an interesting fact and maybe I’ve got it off you, I

don’t know. Australia is actually quite good at building houses per capita of population.

It’s sort of up there amongst other countries. The problem is it needs to build a lot of houses

and the supply elasticity of housing is quite low. I’m quite interested in some of the

technologies that could be used to improve the speed and pace of construction. I know you’ve

done some work on this as well. There’s a great company out in Western Australia that’s

built this robotic house builder that can put a house up in a few hours. Unfortunately their stock

price which was quite high, has roughly gone to zero because they haven’t been able to get that

product off the ground. But there’s real innovation out there in that sector. And I think with

due respect to your comment, the perverse impact of monetary policy, I gently push back on that you

suggest we fully support though the challenges of dealing with supply.

On macroprudential I’m sorry, I’m going to push back on both your questions. I disagree.

What I think APRA have done is that they have put apologies for the pompous language, an out of the

money option in the market, which is to say we’re going to tell you now that if credit grows to

a certain level that constraints may bite. Now someone in the press somewhere, maybe someone from the

AFR here said it was like an eight-foot man walking into a pub and I can’t remember the

punchline, to be honest, saying no. Oh, the punchline was no 8 foot men in the pub, please. Of

course there are no such things, so it’s irrelevant. It’s not quite right. Because what it

says to the banks is go ahead and lend now, it’s absolutely fine. But be aware we’ve made a

judgment that at some level of credit growth, and there’s history of this in Australia, as you

know, as there is in other countries, credit growth could get to a level where it in fact becomes

unsustainable and threatens stability, including the housing market rather than supports it. Now,

I’m not an expert in the overall set of macroprudential settings in Australia. I’m sure

you’ll school me later on that. But I actually think this particular thing is quite a good

example of smart design where it allows credit growth to continue. And let’s be honest, credit

growth has been pretty strong over the past year. It’s been part of the stuff, I would say that

policymakers may have missed slightly in terms of the strength of bank lending, predominantly to

businesses, to a lesser extent into the housing sector. And so while I am not going to defend every

element of a regulatory regime I don’t understand, that particular initiative, I think actually

is an example of taking into account the kind of challenge you make whilst also allowing banks to

lend whilst also taking seriously their need to maintain stability. I don’t suppose if you said

who loves RBA in the room and no one cheered who loves APRA in the room? And they’re never going

to.

Moderator

That’s a free kick, Andrew.

Questioner

I’ll try and keep it shorter. Over the last year it seems that we’ve been flip flopping a

bit on NAIRU, neutral rate, is it restrictive, is it not restrictive? Where is the running ceiling

for the economy? Do you think our economic models are actually up to the task now? And to the extent

that there is all of this uncertainty, how much pressure does that place on the RBA at times like

this where we are uncertain to get it right versus get it wrong and where are you erring? So that was

about three questions.

Andrew Hauser

It was. That’s right. You didn’t really meet the test.

Moderator

Very succinct though, I think.

Andrew Hauser

Well, point number one is the RBA central banks in general, but the RBA in particular are fully paid

out members of the Sceptical about Macro Models club. Okay. So I wouldn’t and I hope we

don’t fall into this trap. If we do, we should put it right. I wouldn’t want you to take

away, you’re an expert on this, the idea that our forecasts are we run a model and we write it

down. We take models seriously because they help us understand the historical relationships. And so

it’s interesting when you mention the NAIRU, right, because our models were throughout last year

saying that the NAIRU might be quite high and we, a number of us talked about this idea of testing

whether that hypothesis was right or not. And for a period we saw unemployment dipping slightly or

staying low and inflation coming back gently to target. Obviously more recently we have not seen

that. And actually the irony of that is slightly again, I’m sorry I’m more of a

controversialist than perhaps I should be in the central banking community. But the irony of that is

it slightly pushes against the premise of your question, which is, as well as treating models with

the appropriate amount of disrespect, we should also treat them with some respect because some of

those models may have been telling us something at the margin about it. You call it flip flop, if I

may. I was told you should never repeat words like that. Becomes a snap. But I mean, the reason

policy turned around in February is because the first facts changed. And there are three key facts

that change. The first was the world. And I don’t think anyone thought that we would be sitting

here in early ‘26 with the global economy powering ahead. Did you see the Taiwanese export

statistics, GDP statistics today? Stunning. Because they are producing chips and servers hand over

fist into this AI and tech boom.

We trade with these countries and they demand our goods. That’s good news for us. No one

expected that. We certainly didn’t. I’ll hold my hand up to that, but I think I’m in

good company, possibly including you. The second is our stance of policy, which isn’t just our

cash rate, it’s also the credit growth that we were just talking about. It’s also the

exceptionally low risk premium in international markets, all of which act to boost demand. And

possibly, hands up, we underestimated the extent to which those financial conditions might imply a

somewhat less restrictive path for policy than we thought. And the third thing is the surge in

private demand relative to supply. In fact, we, and I particularly was expecting that pickup to

happen earlier and it didn’t. And our models, again, our models kept saying private demand

should be stronger. And there were, you know, poor confidence issues and tone and Trump and all the

rest of it were maybe holding things back that models struggle to take seriously. Again, the models

were right. They were just right at the wrong time. So I think models are an input. They’re an

important input. We treat them sceptically, but we don’t ignore them. And actually one of the

lessons I take from the past year is that ignoring them completely might be a bit of a mistake. But

uncertainty is with us. I grew up in the 70s. I know I don’t look that old, but I do and I

sometimes look a bit askance at this idea that uncertainty today is actually spectacularly higher

than in the 70s when the IRA was blowing up London, in the UK when there were more wars than you

could eat your breakfast off, et cetera, et cetera. Uncertainty has always been with us and it’s

a challenge, but it’s one that we take in our stride.

Moderator

Very good, thanks, Andrew. If you had time for a couple more questions.

Andrew Hauser

Yeah, long questions, long answers.

Moderator

And one over here?

Andrew Hauser

If

questioner

asks a question about our 2027 Q3 forecast, am I allowed to not

answer it?

Questioner

I’m not going to ask that in this, in this audience. I actually wanted to come back to something

that you raised which was around the strength of credit growth. And, and I think it’s a fair

comment to say that economists generally, not just the Reserve Bank’s, perhaps miss some of the

signals from the broader part of the economy. So we know that credit growth is running strong.

We’ve obviously started or hiked rates. When you look at broader financial conditions. And we

have seen an increased amount of referencing to broader financial conditions from RBA communications,

we did a bit of a count on that. So I guess my question is we’ve seen, when we measure it, and

our financial conditions index looks pretty similar to yours. We have seen some tightening in

financial conditions since November. When we look at what’s driven that, though, it’s all

been driven by the components that are related to rate hike expectations. Everything else inside our

FCI, those broader measures, whether it’s house prices, credit growth, those are still sitting

in expansionary territory or sort of close to neutral. So I guess I’m interested in, how do you

think that resolves itself? Is it the case that we have to keep rate hike expectations until those

broader measures tighten up, or is there another path to sustainable tightening of financial

conditions?

Andrew Hauser

If you ever stop being an economist, I think you’d be a very good used car salesman because you

may have noticed that she’s pitched her product to all of you. So those few of you who

aren’t clients already will know that they have a new financial conditions index, which

you’ve just heard quite a lot about actually. So have you got the exchange rate in there?

Questioner

Have we got what sorry?

Andrew Hauser

Have you got the exchange rate in your index? Because of course that is appreciated and the number of

colleagues in the room who are exporting will probably be conscious of that or will be conscious of

that, that has tightened financial conditions. So I assume it’s not just the pickup in the curve

that’s done that, but also the exchange rate. But you’re right that if you look at some of

those other measures they remain on the accommodative side. Many of them are functions of things that

we, well, they’re all functions of things actually that we don’t directly control. Part of

it, if you believe in the normal transmission mechanism would be the higher cash rate in due course

should feed through into some of those things. We were talking about our colleagues concern here

earlier that we’re going to kill the housing market. I don’t think we are but you know we

will obviously alert to the possibility of a sharper slowdown there so there’ll be some pass

through in time. But some of these things are driven by this very buoyant global economy and we have

to take that into account. And you know, I just want to come back to this point because there seems

to have been some debate about it. Inflation is too high and we will do what it takes to bring it

back down. We’re not doing that because we’re inflation nutters as Mervyn King once called

central bankers or because we’re somehow out to help the interests of the banks or some other

special group. It’s being done because we know the pain that that causes households and all of

you in the room when inflation is too high and out of control and I’m very conscious people

sometimes say do you feel under pressure politically or otherwise? The pressure we are under is to

get inflation back to target. And if things like the kind of thing you mentioned flash red on the

upside, that will be part of our assessment, I can assure you.

Moderator

Okay, thanks, we’ll keep going. We’ll just see how we’re going for time after that.

Speaker 5

Okay, well thank you to the two Andrews, it’s been outstanding and Andrew, thank you very much.

No, this one, the English one, it’s great to have somebody from our mother country who has

embraced Australia, its economy and its social system so carefully and well and I think that’s

been a wonderful addition to the team at the RBA.

Andrew Hauser

My dad, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5

What I appreciated today, you honour the RBA or the central-backed rule of staying within the rails

and setting interest rates and things like that based entirely on the current situation in the

economy and the policies that the government are following. So you don’t seek to become part of

another element in sort of management of the government or anything like that. You keep within your

rails. And I think that actually makes you far more reliable and far more trustworthy, I think, to

the general population, certainly to the business population. So thank you very much, keep up the

great work. Now, the next question may be a little bit risky. Is there another country in the world

that’s got a better economic policy and outlook than Australia?

Moderator

An easy one.

Andrew Hauser

I don’t think normative comparisons of economic policies are probably very productive, if I take

a few examples. The US is a fascinating example, right, where you may say that. And let’s be

clear, public policy, fiscal policy is for governments. Governments are elected and unelected by the

public, and that is the system by which those judgments should get made. And that’s why I think

it is quite difficult to compare other countries. But what you’ve seen in the US is a very clear

attempt to change the policy framework. As I say, could I agree with it, you may disagree with it,

but it’s very dramatic. Right alongside that you’ve had this absolutely extraordinary

technology and AI boom, which some people think is a mirage and some people think is extraordinary.

And of course, like most of these things, it’ll be somewhere in between. Anyone that’s used

AI know it’s absolutely terrible at some things and quite spectacularly good at others. And so

the very fact that these two things have coincided, I’ve been talking to people, is it causally

linked somehow? I can’t work out how. I think it’s pure chance. But it is an extraordinary

combination of things and has led to this complete counterfactual that we’ve all had to deal

with, all of us who are forecasting, about everyone thinking the world was going to go to hell in a

handbasket in ‘25, possible recession, possible crisis. And in fact it surged forward, not off

the back of those policy decisions, which you can agree or disagree with, but off the back of this

quite separate productivity, I’m not going to say miracle, but boom on the back of tech. And

that’s been extraordinary. Now, is that the result of policy, proactive policy or policy

neglect? I don’t know. I come from a country that’s made a major trade decision itself some

years ago, which seemed to have no impact at the time. But 10 years on, you only have to look at

the news about the UK and its political and economic challenges to see that there clearly were

consequences for that.

So I think when you think about the tariff impact of the US tariffs and whether are they going to have

effect over some period, they may well do over five or ten years, even if they don’t, over the

period ahead. Take China, which is obviously our major, single biggest trading partner. Its policy

stance is fascinating. It has to deliver for the purpose of its political credibility, this growth

target. There’s a big debate going on in China at the moment about whether it’s four and a

half, four, three quarters or five, but it’s not going to be one and it’s not going to be

two like our number. And so you really do see a very, very wide variety of different kinds of policy

choices here. Responding to the challenge. I do think it’s always dangerous for central bankers

to take any credit. Mission accomplished. Remember the George Bush thing on the boat and how bad that

now looks to take credit? But the Australian economy isn’t doing too badly at the moment. What

we do need to do is re-launch those animal spirits. That growth sensibility that I talked about at

the beginning, I think you’re all talking about. It has the institutional strength, it has the

flexibility and it has the know how to really actually navigate this complicated future world. The

question about uncertainty. One of the interesting things I think about Australian history and I have

looked at this a bit, is that Australia has often done best out of terrific adversity, whether

domestically or whether internationally. And that’s because of its combination of great merits.

And so I, you know, I think you can score yourselves. I won’t take it on me. I think you can

score yourselves okay. And with a following wind on this productivity challenge, I think there’s

real opportunity.

Moderator

Very good. I’m going to have time for just one more question. Unfortunately, if we kept going,

we could be going to afternoon tea and dinner time. But one last question over here. Thank you.

David Chau

So, Deputy Governor David Chow from ABC News. I’ll be trying to be quite succinct with this one.

So apart from Japan, Australia is the only other major economy to start lifting interest rates

recently. So what makes Australian rates and the inflation situation here so different to other

economies like the UK, Europe and the USA? And also, do you have any thoughts on the level of

government spending here and its contribution to inflation relative to those other countries?

Andrew Hauser

Give the man a prize.

Moderator

Somebody had to get it in.

Andrew Hauser

Well, someone’s editor has told someone that. You bloody well better ask that question. Shall I

go long on the first question? I think this question. Second one as well, please. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

In your dreams. To the first question. Let me take you back to medieval times. I don’t know how

long we’ve got. I think it’s an interesting point. So I was talking to some major investors

yesterday and they were very much saying, look, know Australia stands out for its position in the

cycle. And let’s remember we had a different policy strategy to many other countries. We

didn’t raise interest rates as far up during the COVID inflation boom and that meant we were

slower to bring them down as well. A consequence of that, I think it’s fair to say, and we were

talking earlier about uncertainty over output gaps is that this economy is clearly closer to balance

than many of the other economies that you might have in mind. So New Zealand is obviously very close,

had a big negative output gap opening up, economy slowed sharply, went into recession. Canada has

obviously had its own massive challenges with the U.S. Europe has its own structural growth

challenges. So most of those other countries are nowhere near as close to balance as the Australian

economy. And I talked about this in the Melbourne Cup speech. It’s in a way the backside of that

success of keeping the economy close to balance, that even relatively small demand shocks of the kind

we had last year can lift inflation a bit and cause policy to need to respond. Now, we don’t

know whether this pickup in inflation is going to be wholly temporary, wholly permanent, somewhere in

between. That’s the big debate amongst all of the economists in the room and us at the moment.

And we’ll, we’ll look at the data and we’ll take our view, but I think it’s fair

to say that it’s a consequence of that. I’d say hubris is a dangerous thing, but relative

success of holding the economy close to balance, that we are now facing into the inflationary

challenges of that pickup in demand that we’re seeing globally a little bit earlier than others.

We clearly also have learned things about the domestic economy as well. But let’s see, are we

the first mover in a number of countries beginning to tighten policy over the next year or two, or

are we a complete idiosyncratic case with its own domestic issues and nothing of the kind? I think

that’s a really interesting question and I’m not sure which way it goes. What was your

question the second one again?

David Chau

Yeah, look, I’m interested in your thoughts on, you know, the government’s level of

spending, its contribution to inflation relative to those other countries of lower and steady rates.

Andrew Hauser

Look, I said it already and I’ll say it again. Commenting on the political choices of a

government is not for a central bank. There’s been a lot of criticism at the central bank in the

last week or two of not speaking up. But I was taught very clearly that we have a job to do with

inflation and we have to keep employment close to full employment. And as I said at the beginning,

and I’ll say again, we’re going to take that statutory duty very, very seriously.

We’re an equal opportunity monetary policymaker. A dollar of demand that comes from the public

sector, a dollar of demand that comes from the private sector should be counted exactly the same in

terms of its impact on inflation. The composition of total demand is for the government to determine

and the public will determine whether they agree or disagree with that in the normal way. Australia

has an extremely robust electoral system. And I think it’s interesting when people sometimes say

the central bank should come in and support their view against the government, you should be

attacking them. I always think it’s worth asking them, what if we were coming in and taking the

opposite view to you? Unelected officials, some of them from other countries, making a comment about

the decisions of a publicly elected government. There are circumstances where the debt position, for

example, of a country is so out of hand that it can directly threaten monetary stability. I lived

through the LDI period in the UK, as I think you probably know, when confidence was lost from

international investors in the UK for a period, and that directly threatened monetary stability. At

that point, we had no choice given at the Bank of England, never allowed to call we anymore, they had

no choice at the Bank of England to intervene to maintain monetary and financial stability. But

outside those extreme events, if you ever see a technocrat like me walking into the public arena and

saying, do you know what? I think you could do this better. Who the hell are you to actually make

that comment? That is the mindset that I was brought up in as a central banker. I was also brought up

to learn that if you’re supposed to be targeting something that’s two and a half and

inflation is actually 3.4, you probably should get back to your day job. And that’s what

we’ll be doing.

Moderator

Well navigated, Andrew. On that note, my sincere apologies to those who had questions, but we’ve

run out of time, so I’m going to have to call time on it.

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